22 8 / 2014
Anonymous said: Why do you think they released "The Grove" extended/Deleted scenes before the "Still/Alone" Extended/Deleted Scenes?
Because the Grove was the best episode of the season. Melissa McBride, Chad Coleman and the girls slayed it!! And IMO it was actually the best episode of the series. People care, people want more. It was amazing.
Still was the worst episode of the entire series. Worst rated on IMDB by A LOT. No one but Bethyl fans give a fuck to see anymore of that horribleness. Why release it early when no one gives a shit?
They are trying to get people to buy the DVD set, not turn them off. So they released the best early and kept the crap safely hidden until people actually buy it.
That’s the long answer.
The short: they’re smart, that’s why.
I don’t think there are any “Alone” (phew) deleted scenes but there are some from “Still”…
There is also some deleted material from the premiere “30 Days Without An Accident” listed for release with the DVD/BluRay Sets so….maybe that CARYL HUG thing could still happen!
22 8 / 2014
I have just been informed that those little “you make me happy” messages that were supposed to be anonymous…were well… not anonymous in any way from my mailbox!
Apparently once again I have completely forgotten to check off the anon button before pressing send….which means all of you guys are going to know exactly you make happy…err ME!!!
Ugh…This is why this kind of thing should not be done this early in the morning - apparently my attempt at being mysterious is a complete epic fail lol
At least you guys know exactly whose day you make brighter :-)
21 8 / 2014
TWD is a show skilled in heartbreak, abundant in the bittersweet and unmercifully ironic to say the least. The story might be set in the Zombie Apocalypse but zombies are not the worst thing that could come upon a survivor of this world - in reality it is people that cause the most damage and sometimes it’s even people you didn’t think or expect to ever damage you in the first place. The ones you didn’t know you would need protection from.
Carol Peletier entered the Zombie Apocalypse as a seasoned survivor of constant abuse and disappointment and while her strength wasn’t visible very clearly to those in her vicinity or even herself for that matter, there was never any doubt about her nurturing, protective nature. There are many reasons one can debate about why Carol didn’t have the courage or wasn’t able to leave a callous tyrant like Ed BUT while she might have been taught to justify the abuse he spewed on her, we saw her stand up to him when it counted by getting not just between Ed and Sophia but also between the walkers and her at the quarry.
Her devotion and love for her only daughter was clear as day - she had her arms around Sophia in almost every shot, shielding her, protecting her from the horrifying world that surrounded them all.
Unfortunately all the mothers love in the world wasn’t enough to save Sophia AND it is exactly that loss that triggered a change in Carol, an epiphany of sorts, which ultimately ended up transforming almost everything about her and as we clearly observed in Season 4 even affected her approach in dealing with Mika and Lizzie too.
The Carol we see in Season 4 is dramatically different from the woman we saw in Season 1 - she has grown, gained strength, earned her worth, built new relationship with others and shown love time and time again.
The Carol that Rick encounters and has trouble “recognizing” in Indifference, post Karen and David, is pragmatic, determined, confident and unfaltering in her choices. It doesn’t make her cold-hearted but what it does do is show that she is strong enough and practical enough to know what needs to be done and finally have the courage to trust herself enough to follow through with it.
Rick might have believed that she was ruthless and cutthroat in her attitude but what he either couldn’t or didn’t want to see was that she was making decisions to step up, take action and make the tough choices she believed would benefit HIS family, their family…It appeared as if he wasn’t comfortable with this Carol, like he didn’t know or see her as she used to be and the intense, judgmental and almost cold way he watched her before the banishment as she went through the motions and did her best to try to get him to snap out of the daze he had been hiding in. He tuned her out as she tried to talk to him about her motivations and why she had felt her actions were necessary AND when he finally spoke he didn’t talk to her, he talked at her, using words that dripped with mistrust, anger and cruelty.
Everything Carol did in Indifference was a test and Rick, a man who admitted didn’t trust his own decisions, was the one marking the manifesto that according to him supposedly gave a clear picture of who this new woman and whether or not she was “worthy” of living in the home she helped create for them all.
It was as if she didn’t matter one bit to Rick, all the sacrifices and care she’d given all of them meant nothing, he threw her away because she made a choice that didn’t work out, a decision and an act that she felt was “needed” - justification very similar to some of his own bad deeds.
Rick doesn’t like the fact that she challenges and intimidates him by questioning or sidestepping the directions he takes BUT at this point he’s been second guessing every one of his moves anyway and he looks almost irritated with her for having recognized that.
This Carol is empowered and strong, she is making tough decisions and she stands by all of them, she rejects sentimentality and Rick’s passive farmer stance in exchange for survival, productivity and a chance to regain some control over the chaos that had taken up their lives.
The last time she didn’t do anything - Sophia died and it was too late to change or do something. This time around she was more prepared , more equipped and more determined not to sit by, wait and do nothing while her loved ones disappeared.
She had Lizzie, Mika, Daryl, Glenn, Carl, Beth, Judith…Rick to look out for - Carol had to do something this time around, take a risk and make a sacrifice for the greater good!
Whether right or wrong she acted and Rick wasn’t able to or didn’t want to see beyond the act she committed and that is all it took for him to label her as nothing short of callous, villainous and cold-hearted, deserving of exile and total separation from the life SHE helped create for them all.
In a matter of minutes Rick took everything she had ever done for him and for them, erased it, diminished its value and ultimately left it with her on the roadside without so much as a kind or comforting word the old Rick would have given a stranger let alone a family member. The cruel parting words he spat at her were meant to break her down, belittle her and make her feel like there was no hope. She was damaged goods once again, disposable, unwanted, insignificant and alone.
He didn’t let her “come back” literally and figuratively, defining her as the “bad one”, someone who shouldn’t and couldn’t even try to be redeemed.
Someone who needed a new name in order to fit in with people again but not her own, not if Rick had anything to do with it.
After the heartbreaking send-off Carol faced at the end of Indifference we as her fans faced a period of anxious uncertainty and what I like to call textbook character assassination and a huge fandom divide over the whole Team Carol vs Team Rick debacle.
The Grove dispelled some of the negative labels put upon her throughout her absence and she even got some vindication when it came to Rick’s judgments as well.
As it turned out she indeed does talk about and miss Sophia, she does feel a great deal of heartache and guilt about what she did, she did confess her crime to Tyreese, she did receive forgiveness and while Rick said he didn’t trust or want her around his kids, she ended up trekking the wilderness and sacrificing her own heart in order to keep his daughter, Judith safe and alive.
As I watched the deleted scenes from The Grove, specifically the Carol and Mika scenes I was reminded of Rick’s inability to “read” or figure her out back in Indifference and struck with the magnitude of his misjudgment of her actions and her demeanor.
After killing a walker to protect Lizzie and Judith, Mika tells Carol that the body should be buried, that it was the right thing to do since the house they were in could have been his. Carol who is still in full on “preparation” mode is fully committed to trying to toughen up both girls and get them ready for the challenges of this new world they were in. Her approach appears to be more detached, stern, unfaltering in the “tough love” department so her steely resolution not to help Mika with the burial isn’t surprising but admittedly sounded a bit harsh and cold.
She is not coddling Lizzie and Mika, she is not shielding them from the horrors like she did with Sophia and she certainly isn’t trying to make things easier on them. The residual guilt over Sophia’s vulnerability and unpreparedness still weighs heavy on Carols conscience ,which only drives her determination to save these girls and get them ready for survival even stronger.
Her abrasiveness and attempt to keep Lizzie and Mika at arms length is a defense mechanism for both her and them BUT her nurturing, protective, mothering nature is not as hidden and as put away as she wants it to be.
Mika says “I think you are gonna help me” in a very simple, matter a fact way, honest-to-goodness way and the message is clear;
“You are not as cold or as hard as you think you are”
“I know you are trying to pretend you don’t care but I know you do”
“I see your heart Carol and you are good even though you try to hide it”
“You will help me because that’s who you are, who you always were”
Sweet innocent Mika was right - Carol could pretend and wear this tough, hardened armour to protect her heart all she wants BUT at her core a compassionate, loving and caring spirit still exists no matter how much this world tried to extinguish or stomp it out.
Rick might have been watching Carols actions or what he thought was “pragmatism” and coldness BUT he never truly saw her and whether he didn’t want to or didn’t try hard enough to see past the survivor mode they were all caught up in, the fact of the matter is that ultimately he was so very wrong in his conclusion.
Mika could see who Carol truly was, just as Daryl did and even Tyreese did before and after her confession.
She wasnt cold, she wasnt unfeeling, she wasn’t tainted and she certainly wasn’t “too far gone” - Carol might not be the same person Rick met at the quarry but her heart is still very much the same and whether it was Rick’s mental anguish or the fact that his dissociation from leadership caused him to miss the new Carol 2.0 is not important anymore.
What is important right now is how he will see her and receive her when they reunite!
One thing we know for sure is that Carol will be Carol and Carol will always “HELP” them! Rick included!
20 8 / 2014
Carol and Daryl’s connection has yet to be properly or say “traditionally” defined BUT while the general fans remain perplexed over exactly what the “thing” is with these two, Carylers on the other hand have seen exactly what’s been going on for some time now…
Whether we are talking about real life or the zombie apocalypse, relationships between people who care deeply about one another and spend their days together are almost never based on grandiose gestures of love and devotion alone…in fact anyone who’s ever been “truly” in love swears by the little things, those magical and yet seemingly insignificant moments that are often taken for granted or overlooked but at the end of the day are what being “together” really is all about.
Everyday Life Sprinkled With Little Love Routines - Something Daryl and Carol have clearly become very much accustomed to!
Cooking For Your…err Man
"There is no sight on earth more appealing than the sight of a woman making dinner for someone she loves." - Thomas Wolfe
Caregiver When Sick
"In Sickness And In Health"
Working Together As Partners
"The nice thing about teamwork is that you always have others on your side." - Margaret Carty
"Love is not about leading or following. Its about breathing together." - Kaitlyne Smith
Traveling Side By Side
"No matter what transpires between us, in this life or in any other, I will be with you always. You really are my soul mate. We have traveled together before, and we will travel together again." — Diane Rinella
Source of Comfort and Strength
"There is no despair so absolute as that which comes with our first great sorrow. Before we know what it is to have loved and lost, to despaired and have recovered hope.” - George Elliot
Fighting and Butting Heads
"Which is more stubborn, the love or the two arguing people caught within it?" — David Levithan
"Promise me you’ll never forget me because if I thought you would, I’d never leave." — A.A. Milne
"If you love somebody, let them go, for if they return, they were always yours. If they don’t, they never were." — Khalil Gibran
Flirting With Love
"In a kinder world," he whispered, "one I promise you I’ve seen, men and women flirt and dance and love with only the fear of what it would mean without the other in their lives." — Melina Marchetta
Protecting Each Other
“I’m gonna fight for you, until your heart stops beating.” — Stephenie Meyer
"Happy are those who dare courageously to defend what they love."
Standing Up To Defend
"He who defends with love will be secure; Heaven will save him, and protect him with love."
"Fight for the only thing she knew was good enough, noble enough, powerful enough to be worth risking everything… Love." - Lauren Kate
“When its gone, you’ll know what a gift love was. you’ll suffer like this. So go back and fight to keep it.” — Ian McEwan
Conclusion - They Are So Married, It’s Scary!
CARYL ON Peeps - The Evidence Checks Out
20 8 / 2014
Anonymous said: I assume you have seen some of the deleted scenes so I was hoping you could do one of your Caryl analysis posts about Still/Alone and The Grove I have a feeling you have a strong opinion on the whole thing and your posts always make me feel better and frankly I think we all need your positivity today
Hi there my anonymous friend,
Thank you so much for your kind words and the sentiment about my brand of positivity - it’s always good to hear that something I do manages to help someone else!
I have most definitively seen the deleted scenes from Carols shining moment, The Grove, and YES I,like probably every other Carol and CARYL fan, have quite a bit of thought about the footage and subsequent parallels that as always seem to emerge between what Carol is doing and what Daryl is up to.
These two characters have been “paired up” from the very beginning of the series and the writers have continued to create powerful parallels between their individual stories which in turn made their “crossing paths” all the more meaningful. Season 4 and especially 4B on first glance appears to have been very CARYL-light BUT I have always believed that parallels like the ones from the deleted footage and throughout the episodes themselves connected Daryl and Carol and attempted to remind and nudge the audience into keeping CARYL alive regardless of lack of screen time.
All the signs are there, we just have to learn how to read them!
I will be writing my own analysis of The Grove deleted material and another parallel post but since I have a few other things on the go today I wanted to direct you to a post by the lovely babaojay here who pointed out some beautiful connections and the commentary on this Hopeful Carol post is more than just insightful - it’s brilliant!
Both of those are a very much worthy read and I guarantee they’ll help you see something you might have missed or at the very least give you a new perspective on the intricacy and the length the writers went to in order to show Carol and Daryl’s connections despite the separation and the uncertainty of horror that surrounded them.
I will leave you with something to ponder and think about!
In 4B Carol and Daryl ended up with people they never expected to be with - Beth and Tyreese, both were left-in-charge of or felt responsible for those that were perceived as “weaker-more-vulnerable” group members and both lost the ones they were “caring” for AT A HOUSE that at first glance seemed like a safe haven to settle in.
The loss for both occurred after they let their guard down
Carol felt she had to sacrifice Lizzie to keep the others safe while Daryl offered to sacrifice his life to keep Rick, Carl and Michonne safe.
Once again there is so much CARYL in the details!
Keep an eye on my blog in the next few days, I’ll be posting a veeeeeery long analysis of said CARYL details :-)
Like Mika said - “Everything Works Out Like its Suppose To”
CARYL On My Lovelies